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now you are electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports to have it's cold out here

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my my nose hairs are getting all crunchy

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it has to be 20 degrees below zero what

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in God's name are we doing out here this

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valley Tim Tim what do you expect in

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Norway in the middle of winter we're

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waiting for the hissa LED lights to

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appear but get closer to the campfire to

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stay warm so you don't get frostbite

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just move in a little closer yeah I hear

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the lights are spectacular they they's

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zigzag all over the sky at incredible

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speeds and sometimes I guess that they

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hover over the valley or even people's

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homes I've heard that some people think

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that there are natural phenomena but

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others think there may be

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extraterrestrial in origin that's a good

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possibility some residents have even

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seen the law I got my teeth of chatter

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seeing the lights to land and creatures

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have been seen to walk about well I

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guess that's the reason that dr. Hynek

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spent a couple of days here before he

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before he passed on even though it was

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36 degrees below zero I think that's

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what it is now now I understand he

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didn't see anything unusual but our

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guest tonight says he has well move away

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from the campfire and let's get back to

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the warm kco our studios and laws in

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Vegas okay not cold out here cold out

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here

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better already

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well I could understand that you know

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well it's maybe freezing in Norway we're

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actually having a heatwave here in New

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York City it's going to be up close to

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seven degrees 70 degrees of today and

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tomorrow and the normal temperature this

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time of year is usually 35 so I'm

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getting my shorts on in my Hawaiian

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shirt and going out to have a pina

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colada

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nice time say don't get used to it you

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know winter in the United States say you

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know it can be warm one day tornadoes

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the next and then below freezing that on

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the third day well for sure hey you know

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I'm really excited about the the shower

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this evening our our our guest that on

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the other line is actually speaking to

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us from Norway we are no international

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connection we always like to do these a

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globalist shows that the show that UFOs

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are nothing local I mean in the old days

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Tim remember II used to say oh it's only

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in America that people would see these

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things well we all know now that UFOs

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have been seen all over the world there

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there isn't a country that hasn't been

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hit by this phenomena from one time or

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another but these lights in Norway or

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spectacu-larry now we have here in the

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United States and North Carolina the

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Brown Mountain lights I know I visited

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the brown mountain and Joshua P Warren

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who is the leading authority on the

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subject who's been our guest many many

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times but the the lights there seem to

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be more in the area of what we would

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call ghost lights or spook lights they

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are intelligent in in the sense that

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they seem to have a direction behind

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them but these lights here in Norway are

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much much much more spectacular in fact

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recently we had our friend Erica Luke's

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on the show and of course she also has

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her own program here on a KC or a radio

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and she's been over to missile in the

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the valley there too to witness the

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phenomenon now I don't think she saw

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anything personally but she spent quite

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a bit of time interviewing the people so

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I I've started doing a little research

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on this for our book UFOs DejaVu which

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has to do with shapeshifters and

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walkers and repeated UFO phenomena and a

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lot of these places are what i call

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window areas or portals through another

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dimension of sorts and this valley in in

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norway has to be right up on top of the

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the list of the the phenomena that's

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taking place there so today we're going

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to find out what it's all about from a

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first-hand the witness who's written his

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own book on the subject so attila tell

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us about who we're going to be speaking

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with yeah well it's my pleasure Tim and

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really happy that tonight we have with

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this deals Ofsted now Nils along with

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his family lives outside of Trondheim

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Norway and he's a senior lecturer and

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has begun a doctorate which he seems to

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have trouble completing he says

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ironically since the field of study is

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motivational psychology now Nils is also

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a fantastic cartoonist his cartoon is

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called squared away and since 2007 it's

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become one of Norway's most printed

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single panel cartoons and can be found

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at over 30 Norwegian newspapers the

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panel is packed with madness absurdities

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and more or less sick ideas doses ever

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since childhood he said yeah he's had an

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interest in the UFO phenomenon and in

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particular Norway's world-renowned UFO

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hotspot hessdalen which is a two-hour

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drive from his home now he's published

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one book on the subject called the head

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snail and lights and is currently

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preparing a sequel Sonos thank you very

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much for being with us tonight on

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exploring the bizarre you know I I think

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I want to get a little bit of background

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now so for those who are here in the

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United States and probably in other

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countries listening as well who do not

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have a background on this can you tell

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us a little bit about the history of the

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lights and it started in the in the

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early eighties when in the late December

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1981 the big UFO flap in Heston

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people started to see these lights in

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all shapes and colors which perform

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maneuvers that rule out any mundane

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objects and and when they started to

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report daylight sightings as well like

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discs and cigars and and so on it the

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media picked up on that and it

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completely took off so people from all

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around Norway came to Heston to see for

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for themselves even from us from Sweden

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and it could be dozens of cars parked at

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the local points every night to watch

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the lights now you say you say this

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started in the early 1980 but I've seen

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stories or blogs on the internet saying

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that this goes back long before now were

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there legends and stories of these

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lights previously or did it actually

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just have a one origin back in 1980

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oh well that the first sighting I heard

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about was in the forties and I mean I

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also heard about sightings say in the

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60s and in the 70s that the big flap

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started in in the early eighties well do

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you know what the the fur had a fur the

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first actual sighting was now these

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things I understand that are seen in

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various place

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is in the in the the valley but we see

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these photographs on the internet and

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some of them are rather spectacular but

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they seem to be at a rather high

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altitude where most of the original

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reports of things of an aerial nature

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you know it's also a lot of pictures

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taken from the mountaintops

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down on the lights were that the lights

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burned down in the valley so it's not

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just lights in the sky if you're talking

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about the the images well who was the I

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mean do you know who the actual where

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the first actual report came from I mean

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it wasn't a resident in the valley or

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was it a hazard or was it a group of

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people it's bozo a visitor he saw

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something as a little boy in 1943 I

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think and he also saw something in the

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60s son and when this started he saw it

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on a regular basis in 1982 183 so now it

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says is this John Ardeth no but a

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relative twin relative we get we're

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getting ahead of our ourselves here a

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little bit now when a when did you yeah

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okay when did you first hear of the

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existence of the the lights I mean where

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what caused you to be drawn to this area

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earlier childhood when it's it all

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started in Hesston and the newspapers

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to write about UFOs this led to

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discussions in I remember family

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gatherings when this topic came up and

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and this UFO discussions could be quite

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heated so it it made a big impression on

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a little boy what was all the fuss about

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so it it's started to fascinate me on an

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early point and when did you travel

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there for the first time yeah and later

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I started to read every book on the UFO

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topic I could could find at the public

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library in their own name and then I got

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my driving license I started to go there

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myself so this was in as a teenage

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teenager in the 90s and did you did you

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see anything in those early days

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no the only ones but this was only one

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day trips but in recent years we we've

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been lucky

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look lucky so we have been able to rent

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a cabin in the valley oh yes yeah I

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don't know you and your your book it's

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it's almost like a travelogue I find it

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very fascinating your visit is there

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when you're your lady friend and had all

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these sightings and experiences so as a

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teenager you were you were hooked on

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this you began reading about this and

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traveling there but now we we started

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off with our little monologue just get

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there about how cold it was and a RER is

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in this a part of Norway especially in

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the the winter and there's a photograph

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that we use in our book UFOs deja vu of

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dr. Hynek with a big fur hat on and

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obviously very cold I think on the day

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he was there it was minus 36 degrees he

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is there a certain time of year when the

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the lights show up more predominantly

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I think it's can show up at any point

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over here but it seems like it's shorter

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periods when it shows up more often like

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Easter the Easter holidays 2018 we saw

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it every night in a whole week we even

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saw it twice what exactly did you see on

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those occasions can you describe the the

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setting where where were you and what

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time was it and under what conditions it

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was cold but not where a very cold day

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between 10 and 20 - none it was full

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moon and we saw this balls of light that

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we could follow and travel across the

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valley and change direction and before

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it suddenly disappeared and sometimes

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reappeared at another location so this

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we saw four times in four evening is in

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in a row and and what what did the how

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big were the balls were they were the

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same size and what color were they they

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were yellow yellow white and we first we

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thought they were planes first we

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stars or planets but they started to

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move and of course then it had to be

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planes but there was there were no

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blinking and they changed their

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direction and suddenly they disappeared

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in front of the mountain and this was

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very low in the valley and they also

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moved too slow to be a plane so it

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mundane and at one of the lights also

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seconds before it disappeared it's had

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this undulating motion and how many

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times have you seen the lights all

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together oh I I don't know if you count

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in these flashes so at one like we saw

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this short flashes with the duration

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under one second

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we saw it more than twenty times in one

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night all in the same area all in the

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same area or one where the every entire

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direction in the valley so it was almost

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like New Year's Eve well now what would

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you see is say would be your most

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spectacular of the sightings where the

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objects appeared closer up maybe in

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February last year we we we saw red

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light

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that rose vertically about two

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kilometers away from us

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it rose slowly vertically and then it

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tilted it turned around and I came to

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versus I was actually here busy with the

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camera so I missed the the most

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spectacular of the of the sighting but

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my fiance described it as three red

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lights in a triangle how large were the

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earth let's say compared to a soccer

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ball haha

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was it much much larger much larger yeah

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I think so

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okay because this was and two kilometres

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away from us and it was very very

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powerful and it came towards us and

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disappeared right in front of the the

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mountain in in in front of us but later

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five minutes later it reappeared but

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this time it was further assault in the

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valley now when you see the when you see

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these things are you in the same

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location or are you traveling by foot or

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in a vehicle now we we use our car on

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and travel between the different local

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points so but in the in the winter the

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the roads inside the inside the

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mountains are closed because of all the

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snow so in the winter area

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it's the

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it's itself you only have one look at

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location and Norton one in the salt so

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we travel between those now do these

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objects ever make any sign of sound or

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are they completely silent we have never

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heard any sound but several other people

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have heard some overdosing sound and

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some is it's different songs now what do

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you think that they're do they seem to

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be aware of your presence I mean do you

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think that they're showing themselves

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for the people to see them yeah all

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right because patience doesn't seem to

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pay off we often when we arrive at the

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lookout point something happens right

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away or it doesn't happen uh no at all

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so if you stay several hours watching

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nothing happens but sometimes it it

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happens after fine five minutes ten

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minutes and this is how many people

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would you say all together have a

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witness the phenomena we're talking

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about hundreds I think a lot of more

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more than that but in the eighties there

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were maybe thousands but no it's not so

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much people in the valley is that

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because is that because the phenomena

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has has decreased there have people just

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lost the interest because they're seen

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so often but Tim Tim and oflet's

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let's hope

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that for a second because we have to go

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to our bottom of the hour break when we

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come back we will continue our

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conversation about the mysterious Norway

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lights on exploring the bizarre so stay

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tuned now back to exploring the bizarre

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with two of the most electrifying

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researchers in the Paranoid your hosts

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Timothy effectively and tastes welcome

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back to exploring the bizarre I'm Tim

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Schwarz tonight we are talking with Nils

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ofsted who is the author of the book

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that has stolen lights now knows before

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we had to go to our break Tim Beckley

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was asking you if the the the light

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phenomena that's being seen in the

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valley has has been decreasing over the

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years well it seems to be kind of

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decreasing since the eighties because it

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was very intense for a period in the

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eighties they saw the so it almost every

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night and twice in some days so but but

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there it's still a lot of sightings and

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I think it also due to that people are

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not reporting anymore or not so much as

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they did back then it's it's kind of

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become commonplace then for people to

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see these lights so unless something

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really spectacular they're not going to

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go and make a report no just the one

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thing they'll be here before that Tim

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you get into your questioning there the

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the University there set up a a camp to

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study this and they put in all sorts of

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equipment cameras and and gauges and so

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forth do you think that's a fact

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that the appearance of the lights that

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maybe they don't want to be technically

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probed may be hard to say hard to say

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but some people say that when they bring

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a camera nothing shows up if if if they

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leave it at home they get maybe more

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lucky yeah we haven't heard that before

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have we Tim I mean you know you hear

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that a lot when it comes to not only UFO

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phenomena but ghostly and and paranormal

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phenomena as well you know it makes me

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think of you know like poltergeist

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activity when you know the poltergeist

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can be throwing things all over the

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house but as soon as you get the camera

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out then it stops so these these lights

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seem to exhibit the same kind of

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characteristics hmm

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for people who are not familiar with

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this area why don't you tell us where in

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Norway this valley is located and and

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maybe give us some of the you know I

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mean it's obviously from from what

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you've been talking about this is a

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fairly you know this is this is a

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mountainous region yeah

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it's located about two hours southeast

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of troll name mm-hmm and close to rural

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town and it's a mountain village only

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about 150 between 150 and 200 people are

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living there so it's a small village and

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considering other locations in

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Norway I mean is there anything that you

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would say that would make this area

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stand out as compared to other mountain

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valleys yeah it's in in this area you

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it's the largest untouched ok occurrence

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recently I've been wondering if this has

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something to do with it

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because when you have this occurrence of

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war you also got strong magnetic fields

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mm-hmm so I've been reading about yakima

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in washington and Piatt memphis Missouri

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and these places in America and I wonder

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if you find the same geophysical

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conditions there what about what about

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seismically I mean are have there been

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any reported you know earthquakes or

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anything like that that regions quiet

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area in that way mm-hmm as far as I know

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there because a lot of times when you

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have areas that are very seismically

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active I mean there there are also a

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number of reports also of you know what

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people would refer to as as earth lights

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even though it's just a name given to

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you know this unexplained phenomena mmm

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balls of light I also feel that it is a

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paranormal aspect to them as well

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not not only the structure of crafts but

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also the the balls of light the way they

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behave and the manuals they perform and

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so I I think they are related to the the

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activity mm-hmm how so I mean let me do

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they well well we need Oh give us give

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us some examples of why you would think

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that that's the case rather than just

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being say you know like some kind of

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natural you know plasma phenomena

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floating through the skies yeah they can

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move slowly around and they can stand

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still but I can also shoot off at

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incredible speeds and sometimes they

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appear together to lights for example we

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saw two of these balls of lights one

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standing about the other vertically and

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they both Dean down at the same time and

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and we also once we saw a big light

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coming over the mountain we had just

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arrived at at the observation point and

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I saw this very big orange light coming

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two verses over the mountain and and I

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grabbed my camera and when I pointed the

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camera to it it suddenly became a

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satellite yeah

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so how always when you say satellite

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would he be by satellite yeah it turned

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very weak and changed color from white

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from yellow to white and this happened

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three times and it came 20 minutes later

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it happened again the same light but

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this time it was a satellite from the

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start and it passed over our heads and

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the third time it came at the same

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location over the all over the mountain

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but then it turned to to the west over

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the great lake there so this wasn't

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satellite satellites but they pretended

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to him to be fake fake satellites so it

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was almost like they knew that you were

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there and observing them yeah somehow

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sounds nuts but well any any feeling any

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one who has you know any experience with

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this phenomenon it's it's it's not so

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nuts because I mean we we've we've heard

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of cases time and time again where

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people who observe UFOs have that have

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the feeling that whatever it is that

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they're observing is aware of them as

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well even though there could be miles

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distance you know in between hmm well

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what about now what about you I mean

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from your experiences when you've been

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00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:11,670
out looking for these things have there

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been any times where maybe you are the

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people who are with you will start to

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00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:23,610
get a feeling that something is going to

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happen that

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00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,520
wait a minute let's let's let's look

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around because you know we have a

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feeling that something's going to be

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seen and and then you do and on top of

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that when you do have an observation do

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they evoke some kind of emotional

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well maybe not for me but my fiance

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talks about things in along that line

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oh really so maybe she's more sensitive

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00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:14,129
to these things maybe and what what does

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she say with me whatever what are her

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00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:29,690
descriptions oh she can get she feels

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that something is going

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mm-hmm behind her back so it she turns

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around all the time and so nice she

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00:34:54,649 --> 00:34:50,520
can't sleep in in our cabin also she can

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feel before we go to cast on before the

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weekend that something is going to

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happen and and stuff like that and when

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she has these feelings I mean is that

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the case you said she has feelings that

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something's going to happen and does it

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yeah it did I told you about the the

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three-year lights in three life red

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before that she knew knew that something

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00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:34,550
was going to happen

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00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:36,860
well and say you know these these are

530
00:35:42,660 --> 00:35:39,160
the types of things that that really

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enraged the like the the nuts and bolts

532
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:47,390
UFO believers who think that you know

533
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:49,370
you're dealing strictly with you know

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00:35:54,940 --> 00:35:50,990
physical space ships from other planets

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00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:54,950
yet time and time again though we have

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00:36:02,560 --> 00:35:57,500
these types of reports from from

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00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:02,570
eyewitnesses that seemed to there seems

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00:36:06,210 --> 00:36:04,550
to be some kind of you know psychic

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00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:06,220
connection for one of better words

540
00:36:16,570 --> 00:36:09,310
between themselves and the phenomenon

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00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:16,580
yeah so now with with a lot of these

542
00:36:20,530 --> 00:36:19,040
reports you know we hear that you know

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00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:20,540
people are seeing these things you know

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00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:23,570
pretty high up in the sky but have there

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00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:27,650
been any sightings of these things at an

546
00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:29,990
almost eye level you know here in the

547
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:31,430
United States you know you talked about

548
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,730
some of these other locations I know we

549
00:36:39,550 --> 00:36:36,560
have like the Missouri spook lights the

550
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:39,560
Mafra lights a lot of these things are

551
00:36:46,810 --> 00:36:43,520
seen not only at a fairly close to the

552
00:36:48,370 --> 00:36:46,820
eyewitnesses but within just you know

553
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:48,380
like a few feet of the ground I mean do

554
00:36:58,720 --> 00:36:51,530
we have similar situations there in

555
00:37:03,790 --> 00:36:58,730
Norway yeah a little example so that in

556
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:03,800
the eighties the the last one was last

557
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:11,150
year a woman stayed in a cabin Southwest

558
00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:16,370
in Hesston she couldn't sleep so she

559
00:37:22,090 --> 00:37:18,380
stood up in the middle of the night and

560
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:22,100
through the kitchen window she saw

561
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:25,570
something she described as a spaceship

562
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:32,290
and I I saw the drawing she made and it

563
00:37:41,490 --> 00:37:37,220
it looked like classic flying saucer

564
00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:41,500
with the windows and lights around

565
00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:47,320
around the rim so this did it

566
00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:51,580
the last example of that but several

567
00:37:59,820 --> 00:37:56,590
examples so there hasn't there has been

568
00:38:04,890 --> 00:37:59,830
examples of rather than just you know

569
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:04,900
like blobs of light in the sky that

570
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:06,490
people are saying what appears to be

571
00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:13,270
structured craft yeah descript objects

572
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:18,940
cigars egg shape trying else and bullet

573
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:24,000
shaped objects mm-hmm also landings oh

574
00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:30,990
besides the one that you gave us with

575
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:33,190
the lady who saw one outside of her her

576
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:45,280
cabin window you had you have yet you

577
00:38:53,870 --> 00:38:48,640
have John's reports I mean he's gotten

578
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:53,880
very close to the objects yeah 15 meters

579
00:39:02,640 --> 00:38:58,330
he described it as um he said it was

580
00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:02,650
obviously I'm a machine a machinery he

581
00:39:19,340 --> 00:39:11,230
described like car radiator with these

582
00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:19,350
pipes agency and then also landing legs

583
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:26,680
he saw oh really why he likes so yeah so

584
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,810
then have have people seen these lights

585
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:34,240
during the daytime you know most of the

586
00:39:40,410 --> 00:39:37,570
descriptions that that make it back to

587
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:40,420
us here the us it'll describe lights at

588
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:43,660
night but has anything been seen in the

589
00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:46,510
daytime yes many times

590
00:39:57,690 --> 00:39:52,420
hmm but the Heston is known test on

591
00:40:00,080 --> 00:39:57,700
lights because of the the science

592
00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:00,090
scientific

593
00:40:11,010 --> 00:40:06,430
what what what the scientists tell about

594
00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:11,020
this phenomena because they focus on on

595
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:14,380
the lights because they they are more

596
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:19,090
likely to get data from from the lights

597
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:22,810
so they focus on that and they also have

598
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:31,270
to get funding and you know so but it's

599
00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:36,010
so much other things that happens in the

600
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:41,140
valley that doesn't come out sightings

601
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:46,390
of entities and creatures and all kind

602
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:51,280
of stuff well I mean and we see we see

603
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:53,710
that you know all over the world when

604
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:56,890
when scientists make an attempt to to do

605
00:41:02,010 --> 00:40:58,330
proper research on this type of

606
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:02,020
phenomena they have to stay within very

607
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:05,849
strict and narrow guidelines else risk

608
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:10,680
ridicule and losing their funding hmm

609
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:15,359
it's so not understandable right so

610
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:18,070
again can are there any examples that

611
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:20,970
you give us of some of these the more

612
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:26,230
unusual or out of the box sightings so

613
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:28,150
to speak that have been seen in the

614
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:33,280
valley that a lot a lot of investigators

615
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:39,780
dare not touch yeah well we have the

616
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:45,040
sighting of two entities in September

617
00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:52,330
September a guy was staying in a cabin

618
00:42:02,099 --> 00:41:56,320
next to the main road in Hesston this is

619
00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:02,109
in the middle of Heston he was walking

620
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:06,460
back and forth along along the road this

621
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:09,430
was in the middle of the night just he

622
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:11,400
was going to bed

623
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:14,950
but when they turned around he saw these

624
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:19,240
two entities that came running up a

625
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:24,610
field from the river in the valley and

626
00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:28,480
they were running very fast faster than

627
00:42:36,090 --> 00:42:33,340
any human he said and they crossed the

628
00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:36,100
road and disappeared in in the woods on

629
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:40,120
the other side of the road and he

630
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:44,110
described them as very tall more than

631
00:42:56,330 --> 00:42:48,970
two meters with the large heads and long

632
00:42:58,890 --> 00:42:56,340
thin arms and long thin legs and and

633
00:43:03,300 --> 00:42:58,900
when they crossed the road

634
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:03,310
they stopped about 50 meters ahead of

635
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:07,600
him and and then they looked straight at

636
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:15,190
him and I talked to this guy on the

637
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:18,430
phone and he he said to me that they

638
00:43:26,970 --> 00:43:23,680
looked as surprised as he was hmm

639
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:26,980
and then they continued and disappeared

640
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:31,450
in the forest but what was so special

641
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:36,640
about sighting that was that two weeks

642
00:43:44,190 --> 00:43:41,380
later another guy a carpenter that

643
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:44,200
worked on a building they they were

644
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:46,750
setting up on a newborn next to this

645
00:43:57,690 --> 00:43:52,690
field and he told about almost the exact

646
00:44:02,510 --> 00:43:57,700
same thing two entities that crossed the

647
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:02,520
road and disappeared up in the woods and

648
00:44:10,460 --> 00:44:06,760
he hadn't knew about first sighting so

649
00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:10,470
this were these were two independent

650
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:14,230
sightings now do you think since most of

651
00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:16,990
these things take place in in the woods

652
00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:19,540
or near wooded areas could they be an

653
00:44:23,310 --> 00:44:21,990
idea mentioned this nature spirits

654
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:23,320
Jeremy

655
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:26,790
I don't know what it was

656
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:31,690
the it was no UFO was sighted in

657
00:44:44,010 --> 00:44:37,890
connection with this so what it was I I

658
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:44,020
have no idea - sorry

659
00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:50,800
oh this is in the middle of a stone so

660
00:44:59,310 --> 00:44:54,520
it's like if you can call it headstone

661
00:45:03,590 --> 00:44:59,320
downtown you can call it that in a

662
00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:03,600
village with a hundred and fifty

663
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:08,950
inhabitants but it you have the church

664
00:45:18,780 --> 00:45:14,410
and some houses and the community center

665
00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:18,790
is there so this is the central place of

666
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:24,430
Hezbollah how about a good pub yes it's

667
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:29,050
a pub there as well as very good I'm

668
00:45:31,140 --> 00:45:38,000
so phone maybe four times a year

669
00:45:44,010 --> 00:45:42,030
what are those types so so these

670
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,020
sightings I mean you know they they took

671
00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:46,960
place in a fairly populous area and not

672
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:50,550
just out you know in the middle of a

673
00:46:02,480 --> 00:45:57,040
forest somewhere hmm I actually put up a

674
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:02,490
wildlife camera in there this area so

675
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:06,160
hoping to that something will show up

676
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:09,310
again mmm

677
00:46:16,170 --> 00:46:13,090
all right well Tim we are coming up to

678
00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:16,180
our top of the hour break and we're

679
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:18,940
going to go on for another 30 minutes

680
00:46:26,070 --> 00:46:22,810
after this break is over with because

681
00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:26,080
Nils is such a great guest and we're so

682
00:46:31,050 --> 00:46:28,120
happy to have him with us so we come

683
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:31,060
back we will continue our conversation

684
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:32,760
about the

685
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:35,370
stolen lights with our guests Neal

686
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:47,700
hostage on exploring the bazaar now you

687
00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:49,980
are electrifying hosts of exploring the

688
00:46:59,180 --> 00:46:57,510
bazaar Timothy Begley and two sports all

689
00:47:02,270 --> 00:46:59,190
right here we are back again with the

690
00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:02,280
next segment of exploring the bazaar so

691
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:05,270
Tim you want to jump in here now yes

692
00:47:11,060 --> 00:47:07,980
tell me what are some of the theories

693
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:11,070
now in your book you delve into some of

694
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,220
the the concepts of as to what these

695
00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:17,040
lights might represent because there

696
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,380
could be something elder than

697
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:21,000
extraterrestrial in fact you bring in

698
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:23,460
one of our favorite theories is that

699
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:27,990
some of these could actually be devices

700
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:30,210
that were constructed by the the Germans

701
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:34,260
during World War 2 and it could be even

702
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:36,630
some secret bases somewhere maybe out

703
00:47:49,810 --> 00:47:39,150
there in Norway so what are some of

704
00:47:59,560 --> 00:47:49,820
these concepts yeah there is a NATO base

705
00:48:03,230 --> 00:47:59,570
sort of a hostel and also us a smaller

706
00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:03,240
installation mortal hostel so I've been

707
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:09,780
thinking that this phenomena could have

708
00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:13,970
something to do with secret

709
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:16,070
experimentation with the exotic

710
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:23,070
technology but it's been going on for so

711
00:48:32,890 --> 00:48:29,880
many years now and it also very

712
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:32,900
sightings in the seventies and sixties

713
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:42,520
so I I think that that's

714
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,680
may not be the case anymore and how

715
00:48:53,819 --> 00:48:49,599
about the the concept though that they

716
00:48:57,089 --> 00:48:53,829
may be from some parallel universe or

717
00:48:59,309 --> 00:48:57,099
another dimension or that there could be

718
00:49:05,510 --> 00:48:59,319
some artificial intelligence behind us

719
00:49:16,109 --> 00:49:11,069
it's it's basically basically a 3t or is

720
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:16,119
it it is this natural plasma theory on a

721
00:49:24,359 --> 00:49:19,740
and you have this military and man-made

722
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:24,369
theory and also some kind of visitation

723
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:30,130
so in recent years I I leaned more and

724
00:49:41,730 --> 00:49:37,140
more about against the visitation

725
00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:41,740
possibility and what you li what you

726
00:49:55,620 --> 00:49:48,420
lean towards well what's special about

727
00:50:01,680 --> 00:49:55,630
histone is the minerals and you the

728
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:01,690
largest occurrence of or in entire

729
00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:06,430
Norway and the strongest magnetic fields

730
00:50:16,529 --> 00:50:13,270
in entire Norway so what I won't want to

731
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:16,539
do moral in the future is to compare

732
00:50:24,269 --> 00:50:20,529
Heston with with this places other

733
00:50:27,930 --> 00:50:24,279
places around in the world that have

734
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:27,940
similar phenomena well now our Brown our

735
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:30,250
Brown Mountain lights here has an

736
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:34,859
incredible deposits of quartz crystals

737
00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:38,970
in the in the earth in fact the local

738
00:50:45,299 --> 00:50:42,520
contact D it was deceased deceased Ralph

739
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,309
Leila but we write about him in the USA

740
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,680
jiwoo he claims that he actually went

741
00:50:51,809 --> 00:50:50,079
inside the mountain and met the the

742
00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:51,819
space people who had a base there from

743
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:54,460
whatever planet they were from and he

744
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:55,810
came out of the mountain

745
00:51:00,480 --> 00:50:58,090
which with these huge pieces of quartz

746
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:00,490
crystal which he had in his little

747
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:04,330
roadside attraction or our Museum which

748
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:06,130
is been closed for a couple of decades

749
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:09,510
now but we've noticed in a lot of these

750
00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:11,890
places where these sightings are

751
00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:15,550
reported on a regular basis that there

752
00:51:24,810 --> 00:51:20,350
are large deposits of quartz crystal in

753
00:51:27,330 --> 00:51:24,820
fact out at Joshua Tree a giant rock

754
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:27,340
there in California where George Van

755
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:29,650
Tassel but was building his integrity on

756
00:51:37,860 --> 00:51:34,450
this kind of time-warp machine his first

757
00:51:40,110 --> 00:51:37,870
meeting with the this face of people was

758
00:51:42,270 --> 00:51:40,120
on a rock and he showed they showed me

759
00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:42,280
the rock and it was sparkling with the

760
00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:43,750
crystals I mean you could actually see

761
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:46,660
this in the in the earth so they do seem

762
00:51:56,340 --> 00:51:51,250
to be reported over areas where there's

763
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:56,350
a vast amount of of mineral deposits but

764
00:52:00,990 --> 00:51:58,450
tell us a little bit about the

765
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:01,000
scientific research that has gone on now

766
00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:03,430
there is a Space Camp there and there's

767
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:05,740
the the blue box I think it's called

768
00:52:12,060 --> 00:52:08,460
where they have all this camera and

769
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:12,070
equipment to register who's actually put

770
00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:14,250
this equipment there and what is it

771
00:52:23,780 --> 00:52:18,820
shown us first I want to shoot in that

772
00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:23,790
it's a little quarks in Hesston as well

773
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:30,550
but the research is it's a our Linnaeus

774
00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:32,530
Tron from the restful

775
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:36,990
University College he's been head of

776
00:52:47,850 --> 00:52:40,720
project tests on since the eighties so

777
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:47,860
he had his he's been done most of the

778
00:52:59,970 --> 00:52:56,410
research later he he has more people to

779
00:53:03,270 --> 00:52:59,980
help him that he's what he was there

780
00:53:06,460 --> 00:53:03,280
from the start from the beginning and he

781
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:06,470
also put up blue books

782
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:12,220
which is an automatic measuring station

783
00:53:22,090 --> 00:53:17,150
you can find it on on their website they

784
00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:22,100
stream live so you can see what happens

785
00:53:36,340 --> 00:53:32,260
in the valley from yeah yeah live and

786
00:53:40,750 --> 00:53:36,350
also we have a group of Italians that

787
00:53:47,310 --> 00:53:40,760
carried out field investigations in the

788
00:53:51,490 --> 00:53:47,320
early 2000s and they they were led by a

789
00:53:58,300 --> 00:53:51,500
doctor in astrophysics Mossimo tailed

790
00:54:03,040 --> 00:53:58,310
Ronnie and they had some interesting

791
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:03,050
conclusions after I think it was three

792
00:54:12,490 --> 00:54:10,090
field studies they concluded that among

793
00:54:17,590 --> 00:54:12,500
majority of lights in the sky they were

794
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:17,600
also present structured crafts and that

795
00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:21,980
is very interesting in my opinion coming

796
00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:30,040
from a doctor in astrophysics and in

797
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:32,590
recent years there they carry out

798
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:38,590
science camp that with the support from

799
00:54:51,010 --> 00:54:41,990
Estefan University College twice a year

800
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:51,020
so it's a lot of research going on I'd

801
00:55:01,000 --> 00:54:56,690
like to ask Nils on in your book chapter

802
00:55:03,940 --> 00:55:01,010
nine called hide and seek then the next

803
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:03,950
page 62 you've got a couple of same it's

804
00:55:11,350 --> 00:55:07,130
same photographs of a photograph that

805
00:55:14,220 --> 00:55:11,360
that you had taken which is just really

806
00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:14,230
I'm it's just absolutely a fantastic

807
00:55:21,180 --> 00:55:18,670
photo do you want to tell us

808
00:55:25,950 --> 00:55:21,190
about that photograph I mean what

809
00:55:31,460 --> 00:55:25,960
happened and how you got it yeah yeah we

810
00:55:38,749 --> 00:55:31,470
were standing at Sultan lookup point

811
00:55:44,759 --> 00:55:38,759
about maybe a for four hours we're

812
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:44,769
seeing nothing and we returned back to

813
00:56:04,739 --> 00:56:00,170
this at when we drove home and we were

814
00:56:11,729 --> 00:56:04,749
200 meters above our cabin this light

815
00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:11,739
showed up over the location where we

816
00:56:25,470 --> 00:56:17,819
stood earlier in the evening and I

817
00:56:32,339 --> 00:56:25,480
grabbed my camera and and just pressed

818
00:56:36,329 --> 00:56:32,349
record and I think I got maybe a one or

819
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:36,339
two seconds before it disappeared so

820
00:56:48,479 --> 00:56:43,089
again when you take your camera it has a

821
00:56:53,279 --> 00:56:48,489
tendency to disappear and mine what kind

822
00:56:58,799 --> 00:56:53,289
of camera were you using oh it's a cheap

823
00:57:02,220 --> 00:56:58,809
camera so it's not very good but this

824
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:02,230
was in July so it wasn't it wasn't

825
00:57:15,029 --> 00:57:10,329
completely dark right so I it's the best

826
00:57:17,999 --> 00:57:15,039
photo I have I think well and I mean the

827
00:57:20,099 --> 00:57:18,009
you've also included this photo on the

828
00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:20,109
cover of your book and it I mean it that

829
00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:22,390
it does seem to have almost like the

830
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:24,670
like we've described before the

831
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:28,329
traditional you know like disc shape UFO

832
00:57:31,980 --> 00:57:31,089
with with maybe a dome on top and so you

833
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:31,990
some kind of story

834
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:36,160
you're underneath it as well how this

835
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:40,240
this image how close is it to what you

836
00:57:48,750 --> 00:57:42,490
were actually seen with your physical

837
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:48,760
eyes well it was a very big light so

838
00:57:59,180 --> 00:57:51,280
this is this wasn't a ball of light

839
00:58:03,530 --> 00:57:59,190
right yes I think it was a maybe a craft

840
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:03,540
and it also had some kind of other

841
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:09,730
colors to it it was it wasn't just like

842
00:58:24,650 --> 00:58:10,690
a bright white light

843
00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:24,660
oh so uh but the cover I actually saw it

844
00:58:36,270 --> 00:58:29,380
showed up on Losey book covers calm the

845
00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:36,280
other day so great I think I have to do

846
00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:45,550
a better job next time so you took this

847
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:48,070
you took this photograph you know in in

848
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:53,170
July is is there any I mean do these

849
00:58:57,870 --> 00:58:55,450
lights and and again I mean you know we

850
00:58:59,370 --> 00:58:57,880
have to consider that people aren't seen

851
00:59:03,510 --> 00:58:59,380
as many as they did back in the 80s

852
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:03,520
people see more during the summer or the

853
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:06,010
winter or I mean there's there seem to

854
00:59:11,660 --> 00:59:09,970
be any you know seasonal activity that

855
00:59:16,530 --> 00:59:11,670
is more than others

856
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,540
it's more in the winter really when it's

857
00:59:22,980 --> 00:59:17,680
dark

858
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:22,990
uh-huh perhaps it's so easy that when

859
00:59:32,070 --> 00:59:25,510
it's dark it's easier to see lights in

860
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:32,080
the sky in the the summer months in

861
00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:35,770
Norway are very light yeah

862
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:43,030
as you know so so it's more difficult so

863
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:45,490
I don't think so that location can

864
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:49,330
in Norway when when it gets dark I mean

865
00:59:55,650 --> 00:59:52,240
does it how many hours of night do you

866
00:59:58,830 --> 00:59:55,660
do you do you have there hmm

867
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,840
in in the way in the wintertime I'm

868
01:00:09,410 --> 01:00:00,880
saying in the winter yes

869
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:09,420
now in January mmm from maybe 4 p.m. to

870
01:00:15,090 --> 01:00:11,670
[Music]

871
01:00:20,340 --> 01:00:15,100
8 a.m.

872
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:20,350
those are long nights yeah so so pointy

873
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:21,910
of opportunities for anybody who's

874
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:25,570
willing to stay up and risk the cold too

875
01:00:33,180 --> 01:00:26,890
to look for these things

876
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:33,190
hmm you actually have the one day trip

877
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:39,520
this Tuesday just to just to drive and

878
01:00:51,660 --> 01:00:44,530
have a look but there it's a very bad

879
01:00:56,310 --> 01:00:51,670
weather very windy and and cold so we

880
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,320
didn't see anything when you go ahead oh

881
01:01:01,500 --> 01:00:59,440
well you know I I wanted to ask because

882
01:01:06,180 --> 01:01:01,510
I know we are running short of time here

883
01:01:08,609 --> 01:01:06,190
two things one would be the camouflage

884
01:01:10,859 --> 01:01:08,619
that you you talked about that how these

885
01:01:13,290 --> 01:01:10,869
things can disguise themselves the

886
01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:13,300
satellites and planes and so forth we've

887
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,030
seen some of that here you know what Tim

888
01:01:20,609 --> 01:01:17,920
we've had on Bruce cornet in fact he's

889
01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:20,619
coming up next we short Lee again today

890
01:01:25,170 --> 01:01:23,080
yeah yeah to talk about some of the

891
01:01:27,810 --> 01:01:25,180
things that occurred in Pine Bush where

892
01:01:31,290 --> 01:01:27,820
these things actually turned into or

893
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:31,300
seemed to turn into a regular aircraft

894
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,150
to disguise themselves and then you have

895
01:01:39,630 --> 01:01:37,119
the what I call the morphing phenomenon

896
01:01:42,210 --> 01:01:39,640
where the objects actually change shape

897
01:01:44,099 --> 01:01:42,220
in front of the witnesses in front of

898
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:44,109
the witnesses we've got a lot of these

899
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:48,310
cases now coming in from Colorado from

900
01:01:55,980 --> 01:01:52,240
the San Luis Valley that Chris O'Brien

901
01:01:58,650 --> 01:01:55,990
reported on and our UFOs AJ blue book

902
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:58,660
and we have a photograph and in fact in

903
01:02:02,279 --> 01:01:59,410
there

904
01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:02,289
of an our objective some unidentified

905
01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:04,660
nature but looking like a drone but it's

906
01:02:12,259 --> 01:02:08,950
changing this shape right before the the

907
01:02:15,269 --> 01:02:12,269
lens of the of the camera very very

908
01:02:19,019 --> 01:02:15,279
peculiar now you you said that this has

909
01:02:21,049 --> 01:02:19,029
been the the case therein and in the

910
01:02:23,849 --> 01:02:21,059
valley where these objects have actually

911
01:02:26,249 --> 01:02:23,859
camouflage themselves could you describe

912
01:02:28,769 --> 01:02:26,259
that a little bit further and also a

913
01:02:31,140 --> 01:02:28,779
talk about this morphing have the

914
01:02:33,509 --> 01:02:31,150
objects actually change shapes in front

915
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:33,519
of you no have they gone from a cigar

916
01:02:50,099 --> 01:02:44,809
well the morphing thing I can't say I am

917
01:02:54,650 --> 01:02:50,109
that we have an experience that but we

918
01:03:00,420 --> 01:02:54,660
we see in this fake satellites and also

919
01:03:04,109 --> 01:03:00,430
fake stars stars that take standstills

920
01:03:15,539 --> 01:03:04,119
for up to an hour and sudden they start

921
01:03:22,579 --> 01:03:15,549
to move and we have also been suspicious

922
01:03:31,650 --> 01:03:22,589
about some of the planes seem to mix up

923
01:03:35,099 --> 01:03:31,660
navigation lights or lack navigation

924
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:35,109
lights and some of the planes doesn't

925
01:03:55,849 --> 01:03:41,710
show up on on flight radar this I have a

926
01:03:59,549 --> 01:03:55,859
my phone so and you know Herbet this guy

927
01:04:02,279 --> 01:03:59,559
we've been talking a lot of lot with in

928
01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:02,289
Libya he's been living in Hesston all

929
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:07,140
his life he told us about one time that

930
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:12,910
he he watched two moons

931
01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:17,290
the real real moon and a fake moon next

932
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:26,790
to it so I think camouflage is an other

933
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:31,930
aspect to it again showing that we're

934
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:33,610
dealing with a phenomena that just

935
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:37,510
doesn't seem to be you know electrified

936
01:04:41,250 --> 01:04:39,490
plasma or whatever there's floating

937
01:04:48,660 --> 01:04:41,260
around in the sky there's something else

938
01:04:52,370 --> 01:04:48,670
going on yeah I think it's the light

939
01:04:56,820 --> 01:04:52,380
phenomena the hissed on lights if if you

940
01:05:00,020 --> 01:04:56,830
of course it it's also UFO structured

941
01:05:04,860 --> 01:05:00,030
craft flying saucers and cigar-shaped

942
01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:04,870
objects in the hostile but to talk about

943
01:05:16,350 --> 01:05:10,390
the lights have a paranormal component

944
01:05:20,430 --> 01:05:16,360
to it as well so what's what's been the

945
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:20,440
reaction so far to your books have you

946
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:23,710
been yeah getting you know positive

947
01:05:37,530 --> 01:05:32,010
positive reviews on it and some positive

948
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:37,540
reviews mmm I haven't done a lot of

949
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:44,610
marketing so right so I'm sorry go ahead

950
01:05:56,970 --> 01:05:54,310
no I was noting continue in your

951
01:05:59,180 --> 01:05:56,980
biography sayeth the jury a senior

952
01:06:02,640 --> 01:05:59,190
lecturer what

953
01:06:09,150 --> 01:06:02,650
what do your your colleagues think about

954
01:06:14,670 --> 01:06:09,160
your your interest in these lights we

955
01:06:24,140 --> 01:06:14,680
usually do not speak a lot a lot of

956
01:06:31,299 --> 01:06:24,150
about it I have a few colleagues that

957
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:31,309
share my interest so maybe we were going

958
01:06:39,620 --> 01:06:36,510
together to the hostel in the future all

959
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,630
right yeah that'd be good yeah well I

960
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:41,520
mean I know that I've seen you know with

961
01:06:50,349 --> 01:06:44,640
with with other people that a lot of

962
01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:50,359
times you'll have work colleagues who

963
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:52,740
will come to you

964
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:54,420
kind of like behind the scenes and

965
01:07:01,460 --> 01:06:57,210
express interest and and tell you about

966
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:01,470
their own experiences but something that

967
01:07:10,250 --> 01:07:03,420
they would never do in front of

968
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:10,260
everybody else all right well we only

969
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,000
have about three minutes left in the

970
01:07:18,170 --> 01:07:14,400
show so why don't you let our audience

971
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:18,180
know where they can find your book and

972
01:07:24,279 --> 01:07:20,250
where they can find you online if you

973
01:07:29,329 --> 01:07:24,289
have a blog or anything like that yeah

974
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:29,339
the book you can find on Amazon and I

975
01:07:40,539 --> 01:07:34,770
also have a blog UFO Heston dot blog

976
01:07:46,099 --> 01:07:40,549
spot.com and I also have a Facebook page

977
01:07:54,140 --> 01:07:46,109
and yeah just under under your name and

978
01:07:59,390 --> 01:07:54,150
nails Ofsted well if you search for a

979
01:08:01,370 --> 01:07:59,400
hostel oh so up and and spell let's

980
01:08:03,170 --> 01:08:01,380
spell let's spell that though there may

981
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:03,180
be some people might be confused by the

982
01:08:11,089 --> 01:08:08,910
spelling its h es s da le n and that's

983
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:11,099
the easiest way that to find it if you

984
01:08:17,660 --> 01:08:15,089
you Google Google that in Niles all said

985
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:17,670
then you'll come across everything and I

986
01:08:22,939 --> 01:08:21,199
must say the the blog is is really

987
01:08:25,459 --> 01:08:22,949
interesting and it's got a lot of

988
01:08:27,769 --> 01:08:25,469
information in there and I I know we

989
01:08:31,370 --> 01:08:27,779
were able to utilize sort of information

990
01:08:33,169 --> 01:08:31,380
and our UFOs DejaVu book and I'm very

991
01:08:35,229 --> 01:08:33,179
excited about this because it's it's

992
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:35,239
ongoing research you know and it's not

993
01:08:41,420 --> 01:08:37,890
something that's stagnating

994
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,430
there is the legitimate investigations

995
01:08:47,950 --> 01:08:43,920
going on in the lights and like I say

996
01:08:51,380 --> 01:08:47,960
dr. Hynek was enthused enough by the

997
01:08:54,500 --> 01:08:51,390
phenomena that he visited there when it

998
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,510
was 36 degrees below zero but I promise

999
01:09:02,530 --> 01:08:56,400
if I ever show up to investigate the

1000
01:09:08,990 --> 01:09:05,810
and well and we will have the other the

1001
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:09,000
pertinent links up on our website for

1002
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,500
our listeners to to go to so know thank

1003
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:15,660
you very much for being with us great

1004
01:09:20,810 --> 01:09:18,170
show and and a really a university book

1005
01:09:24,290 --> 01:09:20,820
and don't forget that to tune into our

1006
01:09:26,270 --> 01:09:24,300
YouTube channel mister UFOs mr. UFO

1007
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:26,280
secret files or this will be up there

1008
01:09:32,510 --> 01:09:29,510
with our animation thanks to Peter and

1009
01:09:34,790 --> 01:09:32,520
with some of the photographs I added and

1010
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:34,800
it's a wonderful program and a wonderful

1011
01:09:42,770 --> 01:09:38,730
day despite the noise outside my window

1012
01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:42,780
but it's 65 degrees in Manhattan which

1013
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:45,420
is very unusual for a January so that

1014
01:10:00,430 --> 01:09:48,210
offsets the temperature in Norway it

1015
01:10:05,860 --> 01:10:02,740
you've been listening to exploring the

1016
01:10:09,370 --> 01:10:05,870
bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley

1017
01:10:11,650 --> 01:10:09,380
panting Swartz they're taking back the

1018
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:11,660
night by jetting non-stop across the

1019
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:14,210
cosmos in search of the truly bizarre

1020
01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:17,510
and totally unexplained with you as

1021
01:10:24,850 --> 01:10:20,870
their combines Thursday nights at 7:00

1022
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1023
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1024
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1025
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1026
01:10:39,190 --> 01:10:36,110
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1027
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1028
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